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Remove the mention of the doco and the apprenticeship contention stands just fine. Ah, so now we arrive at the pivot. A graceful one, to be fair, prompted by a dawning recognition that your system has rather serious limitations. Limitations you are perceptive enough to grasp in principle, yet curiously inclined to sidestep unless someone insists on examining them closely. Your position, whether you intended to anchor yourself to it or not, amounted to the claim that formal apprenticeship is so remarkably effective that it can rehabilitate even the most troubled children. Yes, that claim was made by your post, however indirectly you might prefer to frame it now. It also seems likely that you believe it, or at least would very much like to. However, when you rely on a 1990s documentary to suggest that severely troubled youth were set right simply by “spending their time in the company of men,” and present this as what “did the trick,” it is a touch optimistic. Under those circumstances, it is difficult to object when others push back on what is, at best, a rather tidy and arguably sentimental portrayal. You ever come up with an idea for societal improvement? We should probably start by admitting something obvious, even if it seems to get overlooked in your argument: something as broad as “improving society” is extremely complicated Part of the process is evaluating ideas against potential pitfalls. But when you encounter that, whether for me or from others at this board, you become defensive. So are you actually trying to come up with ideas, or merely to defend the predetermined worldview you had all along? |