"And both are critical for doing something about our plight and the wider plight of boys and the "masculine" in our time." At what point does endless philosophizing translate to inaction? Please accept my apology for the tone I just needed to get across my point. This community cannot even scrape together a few thousand lousy euros collectively to help fund Boychat! How then do you expect this community to somehow change things for boys and men? Great if you want to talk about these things. You do it well and I like that. But pretending that tangible action items will come of it is not right. Issuing vacuous exhortations to 'support boys' and 'encourage masculinity' or whatever other well meaning but ultimately neutered slogans we come up with do nothing. The ultimate delusion is that a sense of unity of purpose will get boylovers active in improving their own lives and the lives of others around them - including boys. I soundly disagree. The situation for us in the western world almost completely precludes having young friends these days. Most boylovers do not have young friends. So is there inherent and intrinsic value just in being a community here? Yes. Of course! But let us not pretend that the boychat community is anything other than an virtual community of support. Even when this place was so big that apparently a special board was created to discuss political action nothing happened. Nothing will happen now either. I am ok with that but I think we should all collectively admit it. I know this may offend some and I am sorry. ![]() |