Hi again, guy... Uh, something you should be

careful about. You're new. You're excited. You're happy. You found BoyChat! Great! Bit you are also unfamiliar with what has been happening on the board, especially for the past almost two years that I've been posting here. See, there has been a continuous "campaign of harassment" directed at me by around a dozen posters, operating under an even greater number of "nicks". Notice how easy it is to create a new "registered nick"? Gee, I wonder if anyone else has noticed that, too. I'll tell you - they have. And Seb has been just one of the harassers. But one of the main ones, and working "behind the scenes". Please read and think about the following: First, I read Seb's response to your post, which is something I very rarely do. I'll explain why in a moment. Seb says, "Quite a charming fellow is he, no?" Actually, it might just be true in RL. You know, people usually take to me very quickly. But Seb is probably being sarcastic here. He goes on very nicely, until the part where he says, "[b]ut eventually they got to him, and it unleashed a monster." Stop and think about those words. Do they fit in with the previous comments? Do they seem somehow "out of place·? If so, that is a warning to be careful about what follows, isn't it? He goes on, "That's when he began posting many lies about me, so I returned fire and posted some lies back." Notice he says, "... he began posting many lies...". Therefore, those posts exist on the board. Why don't you ask him to give you links to those posts that have all the lies in them? Then you can read those posts - and in the context of the threads - and decide for yourself if you believe that I was "posting lies". You know, I very very rarely lie (and then only for very good reasons [Like, "Me, a pedophile? No way!"]) and I don't believe I have ever lied about any other posters here - though, yes, at times I have been mistaken about things (I'm just human), but I have never deliberately lied about anyone here. Note one other thing - Seb admits that he has lied about me. That's very interesting, isn't it? How will you know that in the future he will not lie to you - or even about you? He admits to lying about other posters... Note also in the following: "No, he's probably not a woman, nor an anti, nor is he likely with LEO." He still believes that I may be one or more of those. He says, "he's probably not" instead of "I don't think he is/I know he isn't". He contnues, "He's most likely just what he says he is". He doesn't say "I believe he is what he says he is." Then he says, "but get on his bad side and look out!" Sure, I get angry sometimes. Especially when people are lying about me. Wouldn't you? But when I get angry, I don't lie about others. But Seb deliberately told lies about me when I "got on his wrong side". He has admitted that. Doesn't that tell you something about Seb's character? Do you think that you should trust much of what he says? I know that I wouldn't. He continues: "See, he also has some very strong personality traits that are out of his control. Hey, everyone has weaknesses. But martir's weaknesses make him a danger in this environment." He says I'm a danger. Then ask him to post links to my posts which supposedly show that "I am a danger". It should be easy to do. If it's true. He goes on, "...the most dangerous thing is, in his mind, he can do no wrong." If you read my posts carefully, you will notice that I often "qualify" my words. I say, "I think", "It seems to me", "As far as I know", etc. Does that sound like someone who "thinks he can do no wrong"? Seb says, "You're either with him, or you're against him. There's no in-between." Well, I do have strong opinions, that's true (Remember Seb said, "He's most likely just what he says he is: a BL with lots of life experiences.") Well someone like me - with "lots of life experiences" - perhaps finds it is difficult sometimes dealing with a person (perhaps like Seb?) who isn't "a BL with lots of life experiences"? Seb contineus, "So if you end up becoming his buddy, be extremely careful." First, I'm not here "to become buddies" with anyone here. I have been burned 4 times when trying to e-mail to other posters here, all when I first began posting and foolishly began e-mailing others. (Seb, Prometheus, Slim, and I think one more, if I am remembering correctly. I also had some minor problems with Observer - but that was fairly recently.) So much for me "trying to be buddies" with people here. Seb says, "...be extremely careful." Yes! Do NOT trust people here quickly! And it is best not to begin e-mail relationships quickly, either! There are many traps you could fall into, which you probably have no idea about... Seb continues: "If you disagree with him on something or tell him that you thought that he did something that wasn't right, he will turn on you." I can give you links to posts where others have criticized me, and I have not "turned on them". I accept valid criticism (yeah, yeah, I'm the one deciding what is "valid" or not. But I'm not such a dumb guy, and maybe I can tell the difference between "valid criticism" and "flames" or foolish opinions.) Then Seb says: "If he turns on you, he will feel completely justified in doing whatever he can to get back at you. He will use any information at his disposal to do his best to smear you, or worse." If someone (like Seb, for instance) lies about me - which he admitted that he has deliberately done - then, yes, I may try to "smear" them. I will do this only by posting links to their own posts, demonstrating their lies (or harassment). The reason is so that others will come to understand that I am not a monster, a liar, a woman, an anti, an LEO, etc. - all things that Seb (and his friends) have deliberately lied about in the past. Seb continues: "Once he takes that route, there's no way to make things better with him either, because he will do the online equivalent of putting his fingers in his ears and screaming LA LA LA LA LA LA LA. He will claim to not read anything you post, so he basically puts up a wall. Once you cross him (and it's very easy to do, as many of his once-allies have found out) you will always be on his shitlist. I would even make a truce with him right now if he was up for it, but he will have none of it." I was told many times by MElf (Maintenance Elf), who is the "de-facto" Webmaster here, as well as by many other posters, that - if someone is harassing me (and lying about me is definitely a form of harassment!), then I should stop reading their posts. Which is what I have, for the most part, done. So, yes, there are around a dozen posters whose posts I (almost) never read. So, of course, I don't respond to them, either! And, do I really want to "make up" with someone who has deliberately tried to destroy my credibilty, who has deliberately lied about me, and who has deliberately tried to drive me off of the board? Hmm... I'd have to think a long time about that... Sounds to me like he should be doing a lot of apologizing... Seb continues: "So my advice is... sure... talk to him on the board and be friendly, but don't give him any ammunition that he can use against you should he turn on you in the future." That is good advice, and you should apply it across-the-board with everyone here that you chat with! And, more important, you shouldn't let your guard down in private communications! You might be tempted to do that, especially if someone seems "nice and helpful2, and then requests that you contact them privately, off-board. Especially when you are new and don't know how things work here yet... Then Seb says: "If he had any of my real-life info, I'd be an outed BL by now. There is no low that this guy will not stoop to in order to get back at someone for a perceived wrong. Look no farther than this index for evidence of him 'getting back' at me with lots of unprovoked attacks." Whoa! Those are very strong words! He's saying that I would destroy his life if I could! But, wait... Where have I ever given any indication that I would really do that? Where? Ask him for links to the posts that must exist, if what he says is true. But I'll tell you - he can't! Could Seb be up to his "old tricks" again? Have I ever "outed" anyone from BC? No. In fact, I avoid almost completely any off-board communications with anyone here! Does that sound like someone who is "out to destroy other posters here"? I don't think so... See, this is all in Seb's imagination. You know, Seb - the guy who believes in "astral projection" of his spirit to anywhere in the Universe while lying in his bed... Seb, who blows up at other posters and then lies about them for over a year, poisoning the minds of other posters. Seb. The "nice guy". He continues: "If you would like to know why he has posting limits in place, feel free to email me and I can explain." Hmm... he admits he's a liar. He falsely - and without any evidence whatsoever - accuses others of wanting to "out" him. And now he wants to take you off-board, and whisper things into your ear. Uh, careful guy... He then says: "The cogs make every effort at keeping this place from becoming 'martir chat' so if you'd like me to explain it to you, we should take it off-board." Why? All the posts are available. All the criticisms of my posting. And my rebuttals. They are all here on the board. Nothing is hidden. So why does he want to take it "off-board", when he could just give you the links to the posts that talked about me - and which contain my answers to the false charges? Then he says: "Note that I will not give you any information about myself and you should give me no information about yourself either. We will just have a discussion about martir." I see. "Let's assassinate martirwithacause in private". Then you can come back to the board "with a different point of view". Yes, and join the "campaign of harassment" against me by those with a personal vendetta? And what is the basis for all these charges about me being "bad for the board"? Have you yourself looked over my old posts? Have you yourself determined that my posts are bad for the board? Yes, Seb wants to talk to you - off board. Privately. Secretly. And "tell you things". You, a newbie - without experience here, a "fresh, impressionable mind". One that can be twisted to his purposes, maybe? Right? Seb talks about my "unprovoked attacks". Have you looked at the lies that he has been spreading here about me? He admits it. See, something has been happening on another board, and Seb has continued with his "character assassination" of my nick. So, I posted a little something about Seb. I reproduced a post he made - his own post - that attacked me, unprovoked! It's here (along with a link to a great book on computer security): http://boychat.org/messages/1321975.htm And now he's rushing to do "damage control" and try to spin things to make himself look like "such a nice guy" to you. Right. He has lied about me to others here for over a year, and only now is admitting it. And only because I forced his hand with that post - which showed his real character. Ah! - but before (when he was really lying) he swore that he was telling the "real truth" about me. But THIS time, he'll tell the "real" real truth. Right. You have been warned! But - will you listen? :- | [Finally - one of the harassers admits he was lying about me!] martirwithacausesticky